This is a great group set but i'm not sure why SRAM would ship this with the brake hoods already filled with dot fluid and completely connected with the hose to the brake caliper. The first thing you have to do is cut the line so you can thread it through the frame. At the very least they should send a little plug so you aren't dripping tiny droplets of dot fluid all over your bikes new paint job. Once on the bike I think the Force shifts better than the Red I have on my other bike. The other bonus is Force can run a 33 rear cog set and Red will only go to 28. 90% of the wight savings between Red and Force are in the crankset and the rear cog set. Suggestion - buy those two items in Red, everything else in Force, and save a ton of money. I did.